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ACAMA ha conseguido anular contrato suscrito con Promovac, con un acuerdo satisfactorio para ambas partes. El matrimonio consumidor afectado....
no queria continuar con dicho contrato en el Complejo Ogisaka Garden, y asi se lo hizo saber a esta empresa. Finalmente y tras arduas gestiones se ha conseguido solucionar el problema.
Este es un extracto de las conversaciones mantenidas con Promovac por los afectados:
En la Semana del 17 al 23 de noviembre, recibo una llamada de teléfono, en la que me informan que por sorteo me ha correspondido una semana de estancia en un hotel completamente gratuito en la costa mediterránea, diciéndome que son una cadena nueva de hoteles, y el fin del regalo es para que en futuras vacaciones pueda ir a esos hoteles y hablar a mis conocidos de sus instalaciones.
Después de escuchar a la señorita, pregunto si hay que comprar algo, a lo que me responde que no, que solo por asistir a una reunión de 50 min. Me dan la semana de hotel, y que dicha reunión es para enseñarme los hoteles a los que puedo ir para elegir entre ellos. Me da una referencia y un numero de teléfono de Alicante al que tengo que llamar para confirmar mi premio. En esa llamada que realizo me indican el día y la hora que puedo acceder a la reunión que se celebrara en Madrid la cual queda fijada para el día 23 de noviembre a las 11 de la mañana, pero antes el día 21 me llamaran para volver a confirmar.
El día 21 de noviembre vuelvo a recibir la llamada de otra señorita para confirmar nuestra asistencia y darme la direccion, me dicen que debo de preguntar por la señorita Raquel, y me dan el numero de telf 620xxxxxxx por si me surge cualquier problema poder avisarles.
El día 23 de noviembre asistimos al edificio FOXA 25 planta 10º en Madrid, nos pasan a una sala de espera, y después de 10 min. se nos presenta una señorita que es gerente de PROMOVAC nos comenta que Raquel esta ocupada y que para no hacernos esperar mas nos atenderá ella misma.
En la reunión, que dura 4 horas, después de preguntarnos si salimos de vacaciones, donde vamos, cuanto nos gastamos, si estamos trabajando, puestos de trabajo, salarios, etc.. se nos ofrece la multipropiedad, una semana de hotel al año durante toda la vida de un complejo turístico en Denia, haciéndonos ver que es una ``ganga´´, su precio si nos interesa en ese mismo momento es de 2.329.407 ptas. Y si nos lo pensamos y volvemos al día siguiente seria de 3.430.220 ptas. Diciéndonos que es su precio real de mercado, y que dicha compra seria financiada en letras de aproximadamente 39.000 ptas./mes, pagando ellos las 12 primeras cuotas, y todo formalizándose ante notario, y a parte de la semana de hotel (que supuestamente) teníamos solo por asistir, nos regalaban otras dos semanas mas, siendo un total de tres para disfrutar en un año.
Nos dice que no nos comprometía a nada ( esto lo repitió bastantes veces), que lo disfrutemos y si cuando casi hubiese transcurrido el año, no nos convencía, con una llamada de teléfono en el décimo mes, seria tiempo suficiente para ellos poder poner a la venta nuestra participacion y paralizar el préstamo, para que no nos pasaran la primera cuota que nos correspondería pagar al año.
Accedemos a firmar después de tanta presión y lavado de cerebro, y en todo momento nos sigue diciendo que no nos compromete a nada que nos lo pensemos y que nos aprovechemos de esas tres semanas gratis.
Nos trasladaron a otro despacho, donde nos tienen preparado el contrato a firmar, el cual no leemos y nos resume ella brevemente, solo diciéndonos lo que les interesaba, que nuestros datos fueran correctos, y puntualizando sobre todo en la reventa y el contenido de mobiliario del apartamento, (en ningun momento nos dijo que era de 1 dorm, ni el numero de la semana que nos habia correspondido, eso lo vimos cuando lo leímos en casa)
Después de firmar el contrato y hojas que se adjuntan junto a el, nos dice que puesto que como es lógico no llevaríamos en el bolsillo una cantidad de dinero considerable para señalizar la compra, y para ello nos da una letra de cambio en blanco, solo con el importe que figura en el contrato para que la firmemos, no muy convencido de ello y sin saber a lo que puede comprometer, preguntamos si es normal y que no queremos tener problemas si nos echamos atrás, a lo que nos contesta que si, que es una forma de garantizar que nuestra participación es para nosotros y que ningún otro compañero la pueda ofrecer a otros clientes, diciendo nuevamente que no nos compromete a nada y que si luego no lo queremos se anulaba y no pasaria nada.
Ya transcurridas cuatro horas desde que llegamos y deseando irnos firmamos y nos marchamos.
Ya tranquilamente en casa, después de hablar que no nos interesaba en este momento meternos en una letra mas y mucho menos dentro de un año, nos leemos lo que habíamos firmado y en la hoja de cláusulas contractuales en la cláusula cuarta, me parece leer claramente, que si hay un gran compromiso pudiéndonos reclamar hasta el 50% de la cantidad y poner la letra de cambio en curso, por lo que inmediatamente llamo por teléfono al móvil que tenia de ellos, (habrían pasado unas 3 horas) y pido que me pasen con la señorita gerente, a la que le comunico que no queremos comprar nada, y que he leído que una vez firmado ante notario si existe un compromiso, y que no queriendo tener problemas iba de nuevo a sus oficinas para romper todo lo que horas antes habíamos firmado, a lo que me contesta que mi documentación se la había llevado un compañero de ella que ya había salido hacia Denia, pero que no me preocupase, que no pasaba nada, que si me lo había pensado mejor, quedaba cancelado, me devolverían toda la documentación y que no iba a tener ningún problema, que al día siguiente me llamaría una compañera de ella desde Denia para hablar conmigo y se lo comentase, pero que me quedase tranquila que no iba a tener problemas.
Ya con sus palabras tranquilizadoras, creí en ella y no seguí leyendo mas del contrato.
Al día siguiente como me dijo, me llamo otra chica, a la que le comente lo ocurrido y volví a repetir que no quería problemas, a lo que me tranquilizo diciéndome que no tenia por que tenerlos, que no pasaba nada y que se daban por enterados de la cancelación del contrato cuyo tramite remitirían al departamento correspondiente, y que era una pena que no llevase a cabo la compra, pero que igualmente me remitirían la semana de hotel que me habían prometido por la asistencia.
Después de todo esto, nos quedamos tranquilos, pensando que lo que nos habían dicho era cierto y no teniendo que preocuparnos, nos olvidamos del tema.
Hasta el día 5 de diciembre, en el que recibimos una nueva llamada desde Alicante, de una señorita que nos habla del contrato firmado, diciéndome que si puedo tener una reunión en Madrid con un señor, para dejar ya por zanjado el contrato, le vuelvo a decir que no quiero tener ningún problema contándola de nuevo toda lo ocurrido, a lo que me responde que no lo voy a tener, que es solo para hablar del contrato.
Nosotros pensábamos que íbamos para intentar terminar de convencernos o y si no accedíamos devolvernos lo que habíamos firmado y cancelar el contrato como anteriormente nos habían dicho.
Dicha reunión fue el día 20 de diciembre en el mismo lugar que la primera.
Nos atendió un señor llamado Axxxxx el cual se presento como mero intermediario entre PROMOVAC y nosotros, comentándonos que respecto al contrato que habíamos firmado, teníamos diez días para cancelarlo por escrito, cosa que no habíamos echo, y como consecuencia nos exigían el cumplimiento del mismo, o el pago de la letra de cambio. A lo que nos negamos en rotundo, y dijimos que nos pondríamos en contacto con un abogado, a lo que nos dijo, que en unos días no llamaría para que le diésemos el teléfono del abogado, para que el abogado de PROMOVAC se pusiese en contacto con el nuestro y ellos ya solucionaran el asunto.
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por Anonimo el | QUISIERA HABLAR PERSONALMENTE CON LA PERSONA A LA QUE LE HA OCURRIDO ESTO PORQUE A MI ME HA PASADO EXACTAMENTE LO MISMO Y NECESITO HABLAR CON ELLA.
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ME PARECE QUE USTED ES BOBA O TONTA¡¡LEA LO QUE SE FIRMA,¡ (Puntuación 0)
por Anonimo el | Realmente me parece de idiotas estas palabras y me discula señora mi sinceridad..Es decir, es DE TONTO O BOBOS el firmar cualquier tipo dedocumentacion sin LEERLA..O NO??..USTED ALEGA QUE SI LAVADOS DE CEREBROS Y NO SE QUE TONTERIAS MAS, PERO LO QUEUSTED DEBE APRENDER ES A LEER CONTRATOS...NO LE QUE ME DIJERON"...LOS CURAS DAN MISA Y YO NO LAS OIGO.....Despierte señora¡¡¡¡ aterrice¡¡¡
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REALMENTE INSOLITO¡¡¡SRA.LE DOY LA RAZON AL SR VICTOR¡¡ (Puntuación 0)
por Anonimo el | Estimada amiga.Quiero identificarme como Sol Maria Gurrutegui y poseo una semana vacacional en Marbella.
Yo simplemente hice un viaje hacia alli , me enseñaron el complejo y me ofrecieron adquirir una semana de tiempo compartido.Estuve de acuerdo y financie mi compra y todo quedo perfecto..
Por este motivo, es que doy mi opinion pues usted cuenta aqui historia extrañs , de cien llamadas, de que si le dijeron y usted dijo y en fin , no concreta nada.
Si usted firmo por algo que no leyo, es simplement SU CULPA y de nadie mas...
Cuando usted adquiere un coche o cualquier bien, revisa sus contratos de compra-venta, al igual que con un psio y cualquier bien..Entonces???..Usted habla de premio por telefono y no se que historias raras mas.Lastimosamente, usted NO LEYO su contrato y se escuda en que la engañaron..Pregunto..Le colocaron una pistola en el pecho para firmar???..No verdad???...Entonces por favor, sea prudente y dese cuenta de que el error es SOLO SUYO y no de nadie...Yo soy propietaria y creo que el sistema funciona por que lo he compraobado y no tengo ninguna queja.
Es mi opinion y espero usted lo entiend asi
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por Anonimo el | | hola soy una chica de valencia que ha estado a punto de sufrir el mismo caso que el suyo,con la diferencia de que he conseguido recuperar la letra que usted mismo menciona,la cual en todo momento y segun palabras de la propia empresa solo les obligaba a ellos.Hay que andar con mil ojos ya que si no te la meten por un lado lo hacen por el otroya que el contrato era todo legal.Un saludo. |
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por Anonimo el | | Nosotros hace poco tambien estuvimos en una reunion en madrid con el mismo objetivo la diferencia s q al no estar muy convencidos y a pesar d q nos habian dicho q podiamos cancelar todo cuando quisieramos nosotros nos informamos de nuestros derechos en internet y en una oficina de informacion al consumidor que hay en coslada y lo que hicimos fue anular el contrato y la letra por un burofax así si puedes utilizar esos diez dias de anular el contrato porque si no las palabras se las lleva el viento. Nota: nosotros si leimos el contrato pero luego se nos hizo arriesgarse por demasiado dinero. |
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